yahoo has mauer's stress injury -- NOT a fracture. they are generally up to date. nobody cares about the nationals, so they must have forgot to report on nick.
that works freak. whenever fantasy needs to be discussed. LOF will be there. Wherever there is free pizza...LOF will be there. Whereever crime or poverty strikes...LOF won't be there.
Paul Shirley: First of all, let me apologize for the exclamation point in the title of one of the columns that went up today. I had nothing to do with that piece of punctuation.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Psychofish (St. Catharines, ON): Hey Paul, You recently railed against the Foo Fighters on MySpace. I didn't see whether you eventually posted any reason for your sudden disdain. Care to clarify? Thanks.
Paul Shirley: Clarification: a precipitous descent into suckitude on their part or respective parts.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael (Kansas): When I was a young boy, I saw you play a game against my high school team and you dunked on them. I hated you, but dammit I respected you.
Paul Shirley: That started off creepy, but then headed in the right direction.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Citizen (World): Paul, congrats on the book. I just noticed in the Amazon profile that Chuck Klosterman is writing the intro. How did that come about? Does he rate you a "genius" like he does Ms. Spears?
Paul Shirley: No he does not. But he did a fine job on the intro. He may have upstaged me, in fact...He came to write that intro because I begged his email address out of my espn editor and then asked him if he would do my foreword.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Citizen (World): Paul, I know this isn't entirely kosher but I have a basketball question. My NCAA bracket is ruined largely because I had USC going out early when it's now clear that Tim Floyd is just a much better game coach than all these other college clowns. Is this something you noticed when playing for him?
Paul Shirley: I did, in fact, notice his coaching ability while playing for him. In situations like the NCAA tournament--when he is given limited time to prepare for a unique opponent--there is no one better. It might be because he's among the five most intelligent people I've ever met.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Josh (San Francisco, CA): What has been the high point in your journeyman career?
Paul Shirley: First NBA basket while playing for the Chicago Bulls. Also, seeing Shaquille O'Neal naked for the first time.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Steve (Calgary): Paul, How is it that guys like Mark Madsen are in the league and making 5 million and you're not? You've got to be better than Mark Madsen... right? If not, maybe you should come up with a good Nick-name like "Power Paul", but not like "Princess Paul". That seems to work for some people. Mark Madsen would be nowhere without "Mad dog".
Paul Shirley: Mark Madsen is an unrivaled basketball talent.*.............................................*According to unknown sources.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mike (Tempe, Arizona): Dood, paul... My brother wrote you an e-mail asking you to join our YMCA team. They first playoff game is this Thursday, you haven't responded. A team shows interest and you don't even respond?!
Paul Shirley: You're right, this wanton disregard of good offers is exactly what is holding back my career. I apologize again. How's your cheerleading squad?
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Matt (Seattle, WA): How is it that you saw Shaq naked if you've never even been on the same team with him? Is there something in your new book you'll be declaring, a la John Amaechi?
Paul Shirley: (Training camp - LA Lakers, released in November, 2001 or 2002. It's getting fuzzy.)
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mart(Amsterdam): How low would you go? Would you play in... Russia again? Lithuania? Australia?
Paul Shirley: If the hazard pay is high...Yes, because Latvia's right next door and the word there is: best-looking girls in the world...And, would playing in Australia really be low? I could think of worse places.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Craig (PA): Book signing tour?
Paul Shirley: Marysville-Beloit-Emporia-Salina-Hays-Dodge City-Pratt-Great Bend...followed by death by self-strangulation.
Paul Shirley: (I'm not actually touring the worst cities in Kansas. I was just testing my memory of those places.)
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MC Welk (SLC): Taking a page from Nader's letter to LeBron: When are you going to use your influence to take a stand against breast implants?
Paul Shirley: You can say that because you live in Salt Lake City, leader of the pack of cities with underrated female populations. Those of us in the rest of the world deal with female populations who can use all the help they can get. I say shame on you for your cavalier attitude.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Zeke (Dallas): Paul Shirley, who the hell are you?! :)
Paul Shirley: The smiley face makes me wonder if this was a joke, but it raises a good point. It would be bizarre to come across the NBA page and see my mug if one had no idea why I was writing....To summarize, I'm a basketball player who wrote for the Phoenix Suns website while playing for that team two years ago. I parlayed that experience into a book deal and a near-blacklisting from the NBA. And here we are.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- World Traveler (Planet Earth): The sweaty mugshot above isn't too flattering. Aren't you long overdue for an upscale glamour shot, wearing a smoking jacket, puffing a pipe?
Paul Shirley: We can set up that picture if, and only if, I have time to first grow a mustache.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anonymous (so i don't get fired): While overhearing a conversation at Fox between two executives, one brought up the possibility of re-examining the 12th man as an option after the pilot was not picked up. The female exec quickly chimed in with "Hell no!" Discuss.
Paul Shirley: I can see her point. 'Til Death is a fine work of television art.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- AJ (TX): Based on your travels, what city in the US has the best looking girls?
Paul Shirley: Testing the limits of one's interpretation of the 'US'...Toronto.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Matt (Oakland): Shirley, you ignorant slut ... why the hesitation to go and live on the island of Majjorca for three months, play basketball, get paid, and witness (a.k.a. stare at) the most beautiful women in the world? Sounds like Paradise (as opposed to your current purgatory, or the inferno of the NBA).
Paul Shirley: Thank you. I need such castigation every once in a while. You're absolutely right. I shouldn't have hesitated. In my defense, I had inside information that described the situation within the team as 'dicey, at best'. But let's not forget that I did sign a contract in the end.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bazzy (Knoxville, TN): Paul, is your book a collection of your columns from ESPN and the Suns website, all new "material" or a combination of the two?
Paul Shirley: It's approximately 93% new material. It begins with my stint in training camp with the Atlanta Hawks and leads up to my time with the Suns two years later. And even what does appear that is familiar has been edited and condensed significantly.
Paul Shirley: And when I write 'new', I mean that it is new to the world. I wrote a lot of it as it was happening, as I wandered around the world trying to find a basketball job.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul (Cleveland): You should consider playing pro ball in Israel. Every American player that goes there ends up meeting a hot Israeli girl, getting married, converting to Judaism, and becoming a citizen of the Holy Land. Why haven't you already looked into this?
Paul Shirley: Oddly enough, I was really close to an offer from a team in Nahariyu, thanks to one Marc Stein, actually. But they went ahead and signed Ryan Bowen. Which makes sense, because he can really shoot the ball...Sorry to screw up your Zionist machinations.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Philip (New Orleans): So, what ARE you listening to during the chat?
Paul Shirley: Ambulance LTD
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lucy Clarkson: Meet me in Mallorca!
Paul Shirley: That's one female chatter. Or one male with the ability to enter a female name. Jackpot.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sasha: (Moscow): Everything the Pacers do is bad, management included. What will happen to this team in the offseason?
Paul Shirley: They move to Rockford?
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kurt (Ames, IA): Has the Iowa State fan base disowned you since you appeared in the film Glory Road playing for the hated Iowa Hawkeyes?
Paul Shirley: I think, since I was smirking the entire time, that they have forgiven me.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rob (Baltimore): So let me throw this one out there. So it's getting close to election time, and Hillary is pushing hard. Her train arrives in your town. after a long day of kissing babies and shaking hands, she comes out to your local drinking establishment to let loose a little. The next thing you know, she's 5 apple martiniz deep and her fingers are on the waistband of your hanes. Do you?
Paul Shirley: Of course. If only for the story. I might have sex with Al Sharpton if it led to a tale to tell.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Justin (Denver): Another point of clarification on the book please. Is it strictly a bathroom read, or am I going to be finishing it in a day? Your answer will determine how far up on the buying list your title goes. Yes, it is a short list.
Paul Shirley: Klosterman's intro will make you want to finish it immediately. So just plan to poop all day, and I'll have both bases covered.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marko (Los Gatos, CA): Ian just emailed me the questions he asked. He's an idiot...obviously you'll agree SF edges Seattle, and having a chance to play with Nash, I feel like these are two debates you should be able to easily settle.
Paul Shirley: Yes, San Francisco. If I had any excuse at all, I'd live there. Well, an excuse and a load of money.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rio (Bellevue,WA): Paul, how does it feel to be the worst rated player in a video game?
Paul Shirley: Better than not being on it at all, I suppose.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Brian (Des Moines): So do you give your brothers a list of fake names, cities, and questions in advance, (you know to make it look like people are actually chatting with you) or do you just let them make up the names and cities? And who's winning your NCAA bracket?
Paul Shirley: I actually contract out to Pakistanis, GE-style...I'm dominating the bracket work, only because I know nothing and wanted to jinx Kansas, so put them in the finals.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gregg (Eau Claire, WI): Come to Milwaukee and play, We need all the help we can get, trust me. Just promise me you won't give us the bird.
Paul Shirley: My agent actually called them yesterday. But they have Jared Reiner now, so they don't need any more help.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Stu (Mesa, AZ): So Paul, are you biased towards any NBA team that you have played on and if so, why?
Paul Shirley: Even though they kicked me to the curb rather spectacularly, I cannot find it in me to root against the Suns. They're everything that is right about basketball.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jeff (Skokie, IL): How much do you compare your situation to that of a journeyman band waiting for their big break? Does this comparison make you feel a little cooler?
Paul Shirley: I feel a lot cooler now that you made the comparison for me. We'll call me Rogue Wave.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chris King (Santa Monica, CA): Paul - If I wasn't clear before, I'm drunk. Thanks.
Paul Shirley: I applaud you, sir.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Alexandra (Los Angeles, CA): Hey Paul, showed up a little late to your chat and read above. Okay, a girlfriend I had a few years ago when shaq was on the lakers said she had relations with the big fella and that he "wasn't that impressive." I know this is no a question appropriate for any chat, but you have to tell me that isn't the truth!! Help a girl, Paul!
Paul Shirley: Was that friend a Neandertal, perchance?
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Toto (KS): Who has the best BBQ in Kansas City?
Paul Shirley: Arthur Bryant's.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul CT: If you, Simmons and Klosterman went golfing and needed a fourth, who would it be?
Paul Shirley: Ron Artest.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Greg (Ulsan, South Korea): So I'm guessing you're a Klosterman fan (or at least would have to say that you are). Who else do you enjoy reading? And who would you say influenced your writing style?
Paul Shirley: Those are basically the same question. John Irving, Tom Wolfe, Hunter S. Thompson, Chuck Palahniuk, Bret Easton Ellis, Dave Barry, Bill Bryson, Richard Russo, Franklin W. Dixon.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bazzy (Knoxville, TN): I'm confused. You say the book covers 2 years (from the Hawks to the Suns), but the cover (on amazon) says it takes place over 4 years. So does it end with your stint with the Suns or does it include a lot of the stuff that has happened since? I guess I could just wait till the book comes out and buy it and find out for myself, but I'm impatient.
Paul Shirley: Great question. It really covers three years, but the publisher wanted the title to sound more impressive, so they put in a four. They wanted it to be six, until I reminded them that I haven't even been out of college for six years. Thankfully, they stopped short of asking me to wear a thong for the cover shot.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jason (Calgary, Alberta): Are you going to include your middle initial with your writings to sound more literary? And if so, what is it?
Paul Shirley: I'm not, but I'll tell you what mine is, just because I enjoy the abuse. Middle name: Murphy. Making my initials...
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Electra, Athens, Greece: Paul, when you coming back to see us in Athens. You are legend for Panionios.
Paul Shirley: I really wish that were the actual Electra I dated in Athens. I'll never go out with a girl with a better name. It would be impossible.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Brad(NM): Hey Paul..I just read about your non-adventure to Mallorca...look at it this way..at least you didn't have to buy new undies right? Sorry that didn't work out for you though. By the way, you're the reason I'm so much into the Mars Volta now...thanks.
Paul Shirley: Good point. Thanks.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Matt (San Francisco): You'd enjoy San Francisco...Women here are intelligent - they need to be to hold good jobs and make the cash. Plenty of lookers too. And since the Warriors just shipped off Dunleavy they are back under the leage mandadated 3 white dude maximum per team. Send Mullin a resume.
Paul Shirley: Again, I don't turn up my nose at internet petitions...
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Luke, Chicago, IL: If you were forced to have one STD, what would you choose? I would choose the clap for the obvious comedic value of the demonstrative nature of the name.
Paul Shirley: Agreed. Additionally, saying "gonorrhea": never not funny. And, you get to explain to people that chlamydia is not the clap. It's a three-headed story-telling monster.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- dave, marin ca: Paul, what is the NBA's stacne ofn medical marijuana? Is i viewed differtnly overseas?
Paul Shirley: That...was fantastic.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Perry (Victoria, TX): Hey Paul. I am getting married in May. Can you say hello to my fiance for me? Her name is Amy.
Paul Shirley: Hi Amy. I'm sorry that it's going to be 8000 degrees at your wedding.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark (NJ): What female college sport had the hottest participants? Ever date a fellow athlete?
Paul Shirley: A great question. I always expected more out of the swimmers. Disappointing. The basketball players were okay, but the constant baggy shorts and scraped knees leave a little to be desired. Softball players--only a 45% chance they like dudes. Soccer: short and stout, usually. Leaving us with...the volleyball team. And, I only occasionally dated athletes at ISU. I was too busy overthinking things to actually date effectively.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe: (Des Moines): With the NBA pushing for the expansion of the NBDL, do you think this is a legitimate league, and would you ever want to play in it? Is the pay much worse than overseas?
Paul Shirley: Much, much worse.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ryan (Omaha, NE): Seriously, I ask a question about the Starburys and you dont answer it but you say hi to Perry's fiance Amy? If I had anything to do at work right now I'd probably do that instead!
Paul Shirley: Take it easy. I only see 10 questions at a time. By the time I rip through some verbose answer about female collegiate athletes, my screen has usually refreshed to the most recent ten. Patience, sir, patience.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- David (AZ): Would you rather have poop put in your shoes without you knowing, or have someone pee on your leg?
Paul Shirley: Thanks for that. But is it even a question? I'd rather not have my leg peed on, but a shoe-poop surprise? That's never going to win.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Robby(Frienswood,Texas): Hey can i edit you on my basketball game to make you a complete badass, this way you can start with Yao, and Mac..how does that sound
Paul Shirley: It's a deal.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dan G (Houston): One on One who wins: Micheal Olowokandi or Alan Henderson?
Paul Shirley: Comedy wins.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Matt,MPLS : How do I get my hands on an actual Paul Shirley jersey? My Rasheed Wallace Washington Bullets jersey is getting a little worn out and I need a new one.
Paul Shirley: I think I'd have to have my mother stitch one together for you.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jesse (Dover, NH): Can't say I knew much about you before reading this chat, but I found myself nodding and laughing (somewhat out loud) in approval of most of your responses. My question is who do you see as becoming the defining basketball player of this decade (2000 - 2010)? My comment - you seem like a cool cat.
Paul Shirley: Flattery gets me every time. Thinking, thinking, thinking...Steve Nash.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Charlie(Cambridge, MA): I don't think anyone is surprised by the fact that Shawn Marion is not exactly a super-genius. But for someone who wants to get a job in the NBA, calling out your ex-teammates by name doesn't seem all that smart, either
Paul Shirley: Serious answer: Are you really taking everything I write that seriously? Is it really insulting to Shawn Marion to say that it is more likely that Leigh Steinberg would write a book than he would? I think he can handle it. Sorry, my answer was mostly questions.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark (charlotte): If i order your book from amazon i can get a package with The Complete Book of Triathlons! I think I'll pay the regular price.
Paul Shirley: I noticed that too. Must talk to publicist at Random House.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bazzy (Knoxville, TN): I think I am the only college basketball fan in America that didn't fill out a bracket. Why do people have such a problem with that? It reminds me of the Seinfeld episode where Kramer doesn't want to wear the AIDS ribbon and he gets berated and beat up.
Paul Shirley: It has reached a level of mass hysteria that baffles me. I wonder if it's getting worse or if I'm just noticing it more. Either way, Kansas fans are certainly not becoming less obnoxioius over time.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Brennan (NY,NY): any thoughts on the new arcade fire cd?
Paul Shirley: Not sure yet. Need to give it more listens.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Matt (OPKS): Thermals at Bottleneck last Tuesday. Did you go? Reaction in general to them?
Paul Shirley: I actually know who you mean, but I didn't see them. Like them a lot. Saw Calla at the Jackpot Lounge a few weeks ago. Tremendous. TV On the Radio last weekend was fantastic. Brand New tomorrow night.
Paul Shirley: Speaking of...the latest Brand New album is amazing.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Andrew Johnson, Des Moines: Do you ever find it weird that a bunch of complete strangers just want you to talk to them? Thanks By the way I am about to be 0-41 for responses on chats.
Paul Shirley: It's good for my ego...until I read the 36 "You suck at basketball" entries. But, generally, it is pretty strange, isn't it? Speaks to the level of boredom at the average office.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joe (LA): What's the most blocks you've ever gotten in a game (be it high school, college, Europe, Poughkepsie, anywhere)?
Paul Shirley: I've had one triple-double in my life--in high school. 12 blocks that night. I was pretty tall for small-town NE Kansas.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Blake (Denver): (Since you haven't mentioned it yet) any plans for a blog on your myspace page?
Paul Shirley: I've agreed to write a few for ESPN in the coming weeks, so it might be a little while. But since you asked, I'll make a concerted effort.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Matt (Boston): I work in an office. This is an actual joke I just heard told. "What is the difference between a lemon and a grand piano?" "you can hide a lemon behind a grand piano, but you cant hide a grand piano behind a lemon" Hilarity ensued.
Paul Shirley: I am truly sorry.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ragan (Drexel): Paul, I'm studying abroad in London over the summer and plan on traveling around Europe. What stops MUST I hit along my journey?
Paul Shirley: I've not been to much of Northern Europe, but of the places I've been--Barcelona, Valencia (Spain), Paris I suppose, Istanbul, northern Italy. And any beach where the girls take off their tops.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rodney (LA, CA): Can you help me? Only 3 seasons of Arrested Development yet 6 of According to Jim...I just don't get it!
Paul Shirley: Remember, and this is important: people are generally stupid.
Paul Shirley: Okay, I'm done. Keep track of me at myspace.com/paulshirley. I should be back next week with a column. Unless they bar me from the site, which is always a possibility. Thanks for reading.
Looked at my suad for the first time today and I have no idea if it's any good. I dont follow baseball at all until b-ball is over, and only up until football starts.
You should probably just say "screw saves" since Gagne probably won't be closer very long there anyway and trade him for a Holds guy from somebody willing to overpay for the name Gagne.
As in Chris Duncan who had 22 hrs and 63 rbis in a little over a half season last year. yes.
Ryan Howard had similar stats his ROY year as well. I wouldn't sell Duncan short. He gets to hit between Pujols and Rolen to start the year. That is not a bad spot to be in for protection.
Spiff -- you have a pretty balanced team. Burke will really pay dividends at 2B for you, and your probably got him in the last round.
You only need 3 things at most. SB's maybe. Though Burke will improve his total to make you competitive I think, but it is something to think about.
You need a SP definitely. Pedro is hurt, so you won't have him till July.
You have 3 closers, which is great, but you could probably trade one and still be competitive in the category if you had to. But, give my next thought...I wouldn't trade any of your closers.
I would boot Holds and just focus on Saves if I were you. Trade off RP's that have Hold potential. Get SB's for them if you can? or a Starter.
You just better hope Atkins is not a one -year wonder. But yeah, you got a nice deal on him. He put up HUUUGE numbers last eyar and is entering his prime.
125 comments:
oh my god, me, me, me, me...PICK ME....I want to contribute....ME, ME...MEEEEEEEE!
PICK ME!
*charades....guess who
We need to get "The Talented Mr. Roto".
i guess.
though i kind of like pissing people off at LOV by posting there.
that's why your a weasel
i'll just comment, thank you
i don't see a match with our teams freak. unless i upgrade sp, but peavy and harden are good enough for me right now.
unless you want to trade johan for peavy straight up.
i think it is going to be hard to post at two sites.
when will i know bout my add/drops?
johan for peavy straight up?
you must be on crack!
thats what i was saying....
weasel
tell me your fucking serious
why would he trade a cy young winnner for not a cy young winner?
why?
would you do that?
this is why people hate you
notice how i said unless I UPGRADE at sp to Johan.
elp -- get of it, and read the context of the comment. i said i don't think we have a match.
get a clue. johan is rated No. 2 by yahoo. I realize my 39th pick of Peavy is not equal to No. 2. Thanks.
I like the star at the top.
Freak, I'm eyeing some of your hitters. You got a pitcher in mind you want of mine?
out for the day.
late.
Let me come up with a proposal right quick.
I like that.
I have too many 1B...i need less
what's your name in the fantasy league?
You know...yahoo doesn't say this, but Nick Johnson is out till like June with a broken leg.
This is why I wanted to use ESPN, they don't leave injured players near the top of the draft board.
freak - i think you are a year off. johnson was hurt last year. not this year.
I'm ready and willing to listen to offers for all players...Teamname "The Lone Rangers"
Mills...Johnson is missing at least a month.
p.s. you are a weasel
I think Nick Johnson is one of my players...broken leg??? baseball players are pussies...
my team name is "baseball is stoopid."
corbs. what are you looking for?
Just sent you something corbin.
corbin is difficult to deal with. you will see. he is good, and will hold onto his guys until he gets what he wants.
re: Nick Johnson
The Washington Post reports he just started to RUN today. He's probably out ALL YEAR.
That's what I'm saying Zeke.
And yahoo doesn't even have him as injured.
ESPN says he's out for a long time.
Gay yahoo.
Seriously, I'm not doing the blog all by myself...somebody else needs to be a contributor.
corbin is difficult to deal with. you will see. he is good, and will hold onto his guys until he gets what he wants.
so he's the opposite of rev
fuck it, I'll contribute, are we doing daily posts? weekly?
yahoo has mauer's stress injury -- NOT a fracture. they are generally up to date. nobody cares about the nationals, so they must have forgot to report on nick.
"so he's the opposite of rev"
exactly.
Just whenever it comes up.
If people start talking fantasy over at LOV, we put a new post up here.
At least that's what I'm thinking.
why don't you do weekly posts. and spread it around...
or like 2 times a week.
holy crap corbin.
that works freak. whenever fantasy needs to be discussed. LOF will be there. Wherever there is free pizza...LOF will be there. Whereever crime or poverty strikes...LOF won't be there.
LOF...where weasels go
That was a bad offer.
I'm giving up the two best players in the deal?
No way.
Corbin trade offer:
Cuddeyer, Adrian Gonazlez, Joel Pinero, Carl Pavano
for
Roy Halladay, Alex Rios, John Maine
Zeke, what's your e-mail so I can send you an invite?
And mills, if you want to, there's a spot open for you.
i was already to jump over corbin, freak.
but after looking at it, you need to account for cuddyer and gonzalez a little bit more.
i think pienerio and pavano are a bit weak (joel at least), but i could see some room to work something out there.
i am not that big on rios though, so that is proabbly biasing me.
alright freak blast me an email, I'll contribute
send it on over freak. jpmills3@yahoo.com
that's MaT with one T.
Not sure I want Felipe Lopez anymore. Let me know if you are interested. He has SS elig, but will get 2B elig.
freak i cant move zimmy unless im getting his 20+ hr's back
in other words zimmy only goes if i get back another bat
I was trying to tug on some heart strings.
holy crap corbin
Another proposal el p.
Jesus!
I'm getting slammed over here too?
You get slammed everywhere rev.
Just the price of fame.
corb what up
freak, i'm giving up 200 more ab's and double the rbi's
doesn't the league site have a message board?
at mills' request:
yeah, i know.
I was lowballing you.
Paul Shirley: First of all, let me apologize for the exclamation point in the title of one of the columns that went up today. I had nothing to do with that piece of punctuation.
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Psychofish (St. Catharines, ON): Hey Paul, You recently railed against the Foo Fighters on MySpace. I didn't see whether you eventually posted any reason for your sudden disdain. Care to clarify? Thanks.
Paul Shirley: Clarification: a precipitous descent into suckitude on their part or respective parts.
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Michael (Kansas): When I was a young boy, I saw you play a game against my high school team and you dunked on them. I hated you, but dammit I respected you.
Paul Shirley: That started off creepy, but then headed in the right direction.
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Citizen (World): Paul, congrats on the book. I just noticed in the Amazon profile that Chuck Klosterman is writing the intro. How did that come about? Does he rate you a "genius" like he does Ms. Spears?
Paul Shirley: No he does not. But he did a fine job on the intro. He may have upstaged me, in fact...He came to write that intro because I begged his email address out of my espn editor and then asked him if he would do my foreword.
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Citizen (World): Paul, I know this isn't entirely kosher but I have a basketball question. My NCAA bracket is ruined largely because I had USC going out early when it's now clear that Tim Floyd is just a much better game coach than all these other college clowns. Is this something you noticed when playing for him?
Paul Shirley: I did, in fact, notice his coaching ability while playing for him. In situations like the NCAA tournament--when he is given limited time to prepare for a unique opponent--there is no one better. It might be because he's among the five most intelligent people I've ever met.
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Josh (San Francisco, CA): What has been the high point in your journeyman career?
Paul Shirley: First NBA basket while playing for the Chicago Bulls. Also, seeing Shaquille O'Neal naked for the first time.
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Steve (Calgary): Paul, How is it that guys like Mark Madsen are in the league and making 5 million and you're not? You've got to be better than Mark Madsen... right? If not, maybe you should come up with a good Nick-name like "Power Paul", but not like "Princess Paul". That seems to work for some people. Mark Madsen would be nowhere without "Mad dog".
Paul Shirley: Mark Madsen is an unrivaled basketball talent.*.............................................*According to unknown sources.
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Mike (Tempe, Arizona): Dood, paul... My brother wrote you an e-mail asking you to join our YMCA team. They first playoff game is this Thursday, you haven't responded. A team shows interest and you don't even respond?!
Paul Shirley: You're right, this wanton disregard of good offers is exactly what is holding back my career. I apologize again. How's your cheerleading squad?
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Matt (Seattle, WA): How is it that you saw Shaq naked if you've never even been on the same team with him? Is there something in your new book you'll be declaring, a la John Amaechi?
Paul Shirley: (Training camp - LA Lakers, released in November, 2001 or 2002. It's getting fuzzy.)
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Mart(Amsterdam): How low would you go? Would you play in... Russia again? Lithuania? Australia?
Paul Shirley: If the hazard pay is high...Yes, because Latvia's right next door and the word there is: best-looking girls in the world...And, would playing in Australia really be low? I could think of worse places.
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Craig (PA): Book signing tour?
Paul Shirley: Marysville-Beloit-Emporia-Salina-Hays-Dodge City-Pratt-Great Bend...followed by death by self-strangulation.
Paul Shirley: (I'm not actually touring the worst cities in Kansas. I was just testing my memory of those places.)
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MC Welk (SLC): Taking a page from Nader's letter to LeBron: When are you going to use your influence to take a stand against breast implants?
Paul Shirley: You can say that because you live in Salt Lake City, leader of the pack of cities with underrated female populations. Those of us in the rest of the world deal with female populations who can use all the help they can get. I say shame on you for your cavalier attitude.
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Zeke (Dallas): Paul Shirley, who the hell are you?! :)
Paul Shirley: The smiley face makes me wonder if this was a joke, but it raises a good point. It would be bizarre to come across the NBA page and see my mug if one had no idea why I was writing....To summarize, I'm a basketball player who wrote for the Phoenix Suns website while playing for that team two years ago. I parlayed that experience into a book deal and a near-blacklisting from the NBA. And here we are.
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World Traveler (Planet Earth): The sweaty mugshot above isn't too flattering. Aren't you long overdue for an upscale glamour shot, wearing a smoking jacket, puffing a pipe?
Paul Shirley: We can set up that picture if, and only if, I have time to first grow a mustache.
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Anonymous (so i don't get fired): While overhearing a conversation at Fox between two executives, one brought up the possibility of re-examining the 12th man as an option after the pilot was not picked up. The female exec quickly chimed in with "Hell no!" Discuss.
Paul Shirley: I can see her point. 'Til Death is a fine work of television art.
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AJ (TX): Based on your travels, what city in the US has the best looking girls?
Paul Shirley: Testing the limits of one's interpretation of the 'US'...Toronto.
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Matt (Oakland): Shirley, you ignorant slut ... why the hesitation to go and live on the island of Majjorca for three months, play basketball, get paid, and witness (a.k.a. stare at) the most beautiful women in the world? Sounds like Paradise (as opposed to your current purgatory, or the inferno of the NBA).
Paul Shirley: Thank you. I need such castigation every once in a while. You're absolutely right. I shouldn't have hesitated. In my defense, I had inside information that described the situation within the team as 'dicey, at best'. But let's not forget that I did sign a contract in the end.
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Bazzy (Knoxville, TN): Paul, is your book a collection of your columns from ESPN and the Suns website, all new "material" or a combination of the two?
Paul Shirley: It's approximately 93% new material. It begins with my stint in training camp with the Atlanta Hawks and leads up to my time with the Suns two years later. And even what does appear that is familiar has been edited and condensed significantly.
Paul Shirley: And when I write 'new', I mean that it is new to the world. I wrote a lot of it as it was happening, as I wandered around the world trying to find a basketball job.
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Paul (Cleveland): You should consider playing pro ball in Israel. Every American player that goes there ends up meeting a hot Israeli girl, getting married, converting to Judaism, and becoming a citizen of the Holy Land. Why haven't you already looked into this?
Paul Shirley: Oddly enough, I was really close to an offer from a team in Nahariyu, thanks to one Marc Stein, actually. But they went ahead and signed Ryan Bowen. Which makes sense, because he can really shoot the ball...Sorry to screw up your Zionist machinations.
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Philip (New Orleans): So, what ARE you listening to during the chat?
Paul Shirley: Ambulance LTD
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Lucy Clarkson: Meet me in Mallorca!
Paul Shirley: That's one female chatter. Or one male with the ability to enter a female name. Jackpot.
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Sasha: (Moscow): Everything the Pacers do is bad, management included. What will happen to this team in the offseason?
Paul Shirley: They move to Rockford?
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Kurt (Ames, IA): Has the Iowa State fan base disowned you since you appeared in the film Glory Road playing for the hated Iowa Hawkeyes?
Paul Shirley: I think, since I was smirking the entire time, that they have forgiven me.
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Rob (Baltimore): So let me throw this one out there. So it's getting close to election time, and Hillary is pushing hard. Her train arrives in your town. after a long day of kissing babies and shaking hands, she comes out to your local drinking establishment to let loose a little. The next thing you know, she's 5 apple martiniz deep and her fingers are on the waistband of your hanes. Do you?
Paul Shirley: Of course. If only for the story. I might have sex with Al Sharpton if it led to a tale to tell.
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Justin (Denver): Another point of clarification on the book please. Is it strictly a bathroom read, or am I going to be finishing it in a day? Your answer will determine how far up on the buying list your title goes. Yes, it is a short list.
Paul Shirley: Klosterman's intro will make you want to finish it immediately. So just plan to poop all day, and I'll have both bases covered.
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Marko (Los Gatos, CA): Ian just emailed me the questions he asked. He's an idiot...obviously you'll agree SF edges Seattle, and having a chance to play with Nash, I feel like these are two debates you should be able to easily settle.
Paul Shirley: Yes, San Francisco. If I had any excuse at all, I'd live there. Well, an excuse and a load of money.
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Rio (Bellevue,WA): Paul, how does it feel to be the worst rated player in a video game?
Paul Shirley: Better than not being on it at all, I suppose.
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Brian (Des Moines): So do you give your brothers a list of fake names, cities, and questions in advance, (you know to make it look like people are actually chatting with you) or do you just let them make up the names and cities? And who's winning your NCAA bracket?
Paul Shirley: I actually contract out to Pakistanis, GE-style...I'm dominating the bracket work, only because I know nothing and wanted to jinx Kansas, so put them in the finals.
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Gregg (Eau Claire, WI): Come to Milwaukee and play, We need all the help we can get, trust me. Just promise me you won't give us the bird.
Paul Shirley: My agent actually called them yesterday. But they have Jared Reiner now, so they don't need any more help.
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Stu (Mesa, AZ): So Paul, are you biased towards any NBA team that you have played on and if so, why?
Paul Shirley: Even though they kicked me to the curb rather spectacularly, I cannot find it in me to root against the Suns. They're everything that is right about basketball.
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Jeff (Skokie, IL): How much do you compare your situation to that of a journeyman band waiting for their big break? Does this comparison make you feel a little cooler?
Paul Shirley: I feel a lot cooler now that you made the comparison for me. We'll call me Rogue Wave.
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Chris King (Santa Monica, CA): Paul - If I wasn't clear before, I'm drunk. Thanks.
Paul Shirley: I applaud you, sir.
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Alexandra (Los Angeles, CA): Hey Paul, showed up a little late to your chat and read above. Okay, a girlfriend I had a few years ago when shaq was on the lakers said she had relations with the big fella and that he "wasn't that impressive." I know this is no a question appropriate for any chat, but you have to tell me that isn't the truth!! Help a girl, Paul!
Paul Shirley: Was that friend a Neandertal, perchance?
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Toto (KS): Who has the best BBQ in Kansas City?
Paul Shirley: Arthur Bryant's.
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Paul CT: If you, Simmons and Klosterman went golfing and needed a fourth, who would it be?
Paul Shirley: Ron Artest.
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Greg (Ulsan, South Korea): So I'm guessing you're a Klosterman fan (or at least would have to say that you are). Who else do you enjoy reading? And who would you say influenced your writing style?
Paul Shirley: Those are basically the same question. John Irving, Tom Wolfe, Hunter S. Thompson, Chuck Palahniuk, Bret Easton Ellis, Dave Barry, Bill Bryson, Richard Russo, Franklin W. Dixon.
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Bazzy (Knoxville, TN): I'm confused. You say the book covers 2 years (from the Hawks to the Suns), but the cover (on amazon) says it takes place over 4 years. So does it end with your stint with the Suns or does it include a lot of the stuff that has happened since? I guess I could just wait till the book comes out and buy it and find out for myself, but I'm impatient.
Paul Shirley: Great question. It really covers three years, but the publisher wanted the title to sound more impressive, so they put in a four. They wanted it to be six, until I reminded them that I haven't even been out of college for six years. Thankfully, they stopped short of asking me to wear a thong for the cover shot.
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Jason (Calgary, Alberta): Are you going to include your middle initial with your writings to sound more literary? And if so, what is it?
Paul Shirley: I'm not, but I'll tell you what mine is, just because I enjoy the abuse. Middle name: Murphy. Making my initials...
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Electra, Athens, Greece: Paul, when you coming back to see us in Athens. You are legend for Panionios.
Paul Shirley: I really wish that were the actual Electra I dated in Athens. I'll never go out with a girl with a better name. It would be impossible.
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Brad(NM): Hey Paul..I just read about your non-adventure to Mallorca...look at it this way..at least you didn't have to buy new undies right? Sorry that didn't work out for you though. By the way, you're the reason I'm so much into the Mars Volta now...thanks.
Paul Shirley: Good point. Thanks.
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Matt (San Francisco): You'd enjoy San Francisco...Women here are intelligent - they need to be to hold good jobs and make the cash. Plenty of lookers too. And since the Warriors just shipped off Dunleavy they are back under the leage mandadated 3 white dude maximum per team. Send Mullin a resume.
Paul Shirley: Again, I don't turn up my nose at internet petitions...
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Luke, Chicago, IL: If you were forced to have one STD, what would you choose? I would choose the clap for the obvious comedic value of the demonstrative nature of the name.
Paul Shirley: Agreed. Additionally, saying "gonorrhea": never not funny. And, you get to explain to people that chlamydia is not the clap. It's a three-headed story-telling monster.
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dave, marin ca: Paul, what is the NBA's stacne ofn medical marijuana? Is i viewed differtnly overseas?
Paul Shirley: That...was fantastic.
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Perry (Victoria, TX): Hey Paul. I am getting married in May. Can you say hello to my fiance for me? Her name is Amy.
Paul Shirley: Hi Amy. I'm sorry that it's going to be 8000 degrees at your wedding.
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Mark (NJ): What female college sport had the hottest participants? Ever date a fellow athlete?
Paul Shirley: A great question. I always expected more out of the swimmers. Disappointing. The basketball players were okay, but the constant baggy shorts and scraped knees leave a little to be desired. Softball players--only a 45% chance they like dudes. Soccer: short and stout, usually. Leaving us with...the volleyball team. And, I only occasionally dated athletes at ISU. I was too busy overthinking things to actually date effectively.
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Gabe: (Des Moines): With the NBA pushing for the expansion of the NBDL, do you think this is a legitimate league, and would you ever want to play in it? Is the pay much worse than overseas?
Paul Shirley: Much, much worse.
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Ryan (Omaha, NE): Seriously, I ask a question about the Starburys and you dont answer it but you say hi to Perry's fiance Amy? If I had anything to do at work right now I'd probably do that instead!
Paul Shirley: Take it easy. I only see 10 questions at a time. By the time I rip through some verbose answer about female collegiate athletes, my screen has usually refreshed to the most recent ten. Patience, sir, patience.
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David (AZ): Would you rather have poop put in your shoes without you knowing, or have someone pee on your leg?
Paul Shirley: Thanks for that. But is it even a question? I'd rather not have my leg peed on, but a shoe-poop surprise? That's never going to win.
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Robby(Frienswood,Texas): Hey can i edit you on my basketball game to make you a complete badass, this way you can start with Yao, and Mac..how does that sound
Paul Shirley: It's a deal.
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Dan G (Houston): One on One who wins: Micheal Olowokandi or Alan Henderson?
Paul Shirley: Comedy wins.
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Matt,MPLS : How do I get my hands on an actual Paul Shirley jersey? My Rasheed Wallace Washington Bullets jersey is getting a little worn out and I need a new one.
Paul Shirley: I think I'd have to have my mother stitch one together for you.
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Jesse (Dover, NH): Can't say I knew much about you before reading this chat, but I found myself nodding and laughing (somewhat out loud) in approval of most of your responses. My question is who do you see as becoming the defining basketball player of this decade (2000 - 2010)? My comment - you seem like a cool cat.
Paul Shirley: Flattery gets me every time. Thinking, thinking, thinking...Steve Nash.
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Charlie(Cambridge, MA): I don't think anyone is surprised by the fact that Shawn Marion is not exactly a super-genius. But for someone who wants to get a job in the NBA, calling out your ex-teammates by name doesn't seem all that smart, either
Paul Shirley: Serious answer: Are you really taking everything I write that seriously? Is it really insulting to Shawn Marion to say that it is more likely that Leigh Steinberg would write a book than he would? I think he can handle it. Sorry, my answer was mostly questions.
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Mark (charlotte): If i order your book from amazon i can get a package with The Complete Book of Triathlons! I think I'll pay the regular price.
Paul Shirley: I noticed that too. Must talk to publicist at Random House.
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Bazzy (Knoxville, TN): I think I am the only college basketball fan in America that didn't fill out a bracket. Why do people have such a problem with that? It reminds me of the Seinfeld episode where Kramer doesn't want to wear the AIDS ribbon and he gets berated and beat up.
Paul Shirley: It has reached a level of mass hysteria that baffles me. I wonder if it's getting worse or if I'm just noticing it more. Either way, Kansas fans are certainly not becoming less obnoxioius over time.
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Brennan (NY,NY): any thoughts on the new arcade fire cd?
Paul Shirley: Not sure yet. Need to give it more listens.
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Matt (OPKS): Thermals at Bottleneck last Tuesday. Did you go? Reaction in general to them?
Paul Shirley: I actually know who you mean, but I didn't see them. Like them a lot. Saw Calla at the Jackpot Lounge a few weeks ago. Tremendous. TV On the Radio last weekend was fantastic. Brand New tomorrow night.
Paul Shirley: Speaking of...the latest Brand New album is amazing.
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Andrew Johnson, Des Moines: Do you ever find it weird that a bunch of complete strangers just want you to talk to them? Thanks By the way I am about to be 0-41 for responses on chats.
Paul Shirley: It's good for my ego...until I read the 36 "You suck at basketball" entries. But, generally, it is pretty strange, isn't it? Speaks to the level of boredom at the average office.
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Joe (LA): What's the most blocks you've ever gotten in a game (be it high school, college, Europe, Poughkepsie, anywhere)?
Paul Shirley: I've had one triple-double in my life--in high school. 12 blocks that night. I was pretty tall for small-town NE Kansas.
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Blake (Denver): (Since you haven't mentioned it yet) any plans for a blog on your myspace page?
Paul Shirley: I've agreed to write a few for ESPN in the coming weeks, so it might be a little while. But since you asked, I'll make a concerted effort.
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Matt (Boston): I work in an office. This is an actual joke I just heard told. "What is the difference between a lemon and a grand piano?" "you can hide a lemon behind a grand piano, but you cant hide a grand piano behind a lemon" Hilarity ensued.
Paul Shirley: I am truly sorry.
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Ragan (Drexel): Paul, I'm studying abroad in London over the summer and plan on traveling around Europe. What stops MUST I hit along my journey?
Paul Shirley: I've not been to much of Northern Europe, but of the places I've been--Barcelona, Valencia (Spain), Paris I suppose, Istanbul, northern Italy. And any beach where the girls take off their tops.
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Rodney (LA, CA): Can you help me? Only 3 seasons of Arrested Development yet 6 of According to Jim...I just don't get it!
Paul Shirley: Remember, and this is important: people are generally stupid.
Paul Shirley: Okay, I'm done. Keep track of me at myspace.com/paulshirley. I should be back next week with a column. Unless they bar me from the site, which is always a possibility. Thanks for reading.
corp chavez scares me
wc -- what are you looking for?
any of you fuckers want to deal some rp my way?
so freak on my add drops, when do those go through ?
oh sorry for the 15 scroller, but weasel said he wouldn't talk for the rest of the day if someone posted that shit.
it was worth it.
Looked at my suad for the first time today and I have no idea if it's any good. I dont follow baseball at all until b-ball is over, and only up until football starts.
Someone please advise on my teams status.
tp -- i can roll with trades. but unlike you, i put personal issues behind the overall awesomeness of my team.
dammit weasel that's more talking.
you lying weasel.
wc -- who is your team?
tem -- you are on the wrong page.
I Love Lamp
"tp -- i can roll with trades. but unlike you, i put personal issues behind the overall awesomeness of my team."
you are gay, weazy!
i don't want any of your shitbag players
oh -- ok. i know for a fact that I really want Chase Utley. He is by far your best player.
WC -- you are pretty salty in the IF. A little weak at Catcher, but so are most people.
Really, you need to dump Prior (cuz it looks like he is going to AAA) and work on something to improve either Saves or Holds.
You should probably just say "screw saves" since Gagne probably won't be closer very long there anyway and trade him for a Holds guy from somebody willing to overpay for the name Gagne.
Might be a good idea for Normar too.
shouldn't add/drops go through at the time you make them unless the player is on waivers?
Sent You Something El Pad
TP I have mad RP's - not closers but RP's, I'm looking for a SS or 2B
yeah -- check tomorrow's lineup if you picked up FA's today. If it is W's, then look to the date for said W's. re: add/drops
weasel you said you'd stop talking. not you'd stop talking on one page only.
weasel.
mills make me an offer including lopez, and try not to get too retarded with it.
The Royals just traded for Tona Pena Jr. as their new SS... wow... Angel Berrora must really suck.
Tem -- don't make something out of nothing...
I am not commenting over there, just as I said.
weasel
check that.
lying weasel.
corbin i'm petrified of chavez, dont want him at all
and how does that work if i already ahve a 3b or 1b spot open
i can use them at the util spot right?
my head is spinning with all the trade offers i've rejected/proposed
elp - you can use util for anybody and everybody.
zeke dont forget me when u go home
i was thinking outside the box but check it out anyway
Zeke -- I sent
Lopez and Duncan
for
Abreau and Kennedy
lopez gets 2B eligibility in one week of play.
duncan as in Chris Duncan on the CARDS?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
weazy, i know nothing of managing a bayzbol team, can you analyze captain stupendous?
As in Chris Duncan who had 22 hrs and 63 rbis in a little over a half season last year. yes.
Ryan Howard had similar stats his ROY year as well. I wouldn't sell Duncan short. He gets to hit between Pujols and Rolen to start the year. That is not a bad spot to be in for protection.
if you look at the stats i am giving up and zeke is getting, it is almost dead even in all categories.
only difference.... he gets more hrs and i get more rbis.
who's this?
Iñigo Montoyaz
Mills...that's a fucking joke. Duncan is hitting after rolen too
spiff your team is pretty good
how bad is my pitching situation
Spiff -- you have a pretty balanced team. Burke will really pay dividends at 2B for you, and your probably got him in the last round.
You only need 3 things at most. SB's maybe. Though Burke will improve his total to make you competitive I think, but it is something to think about.
You need a SP definitely. Pedro is hurt, so you won't have him till July.
You have 3 closers, which is great, but you could probably trade one and still be competitive in the category if you had to. But, give my next thought...I wouldn't trade any of your closers.
I would boot Holds and just focus on Saves if I were you. Trade off RP's that have Hold potential. Get SB's for them if you can? or a Starter.
Definitely need a starter though.
"Duncan is hitting after rolen too"
Are you TLR? Are you drunk? He will hit in between the two until Edmonds is healthy, and maybe there anyway.
He hit in the 2 slot last year and had a ton of runs as a result of being on in front of poo-holes
i dont even know who garret atkins is but he looks pretty good
appreciate the analysis, hoping saunders has a breakout sophomore year
I forgot about emails being sent with each trade proposal/cancellation/acceptance.
EP - I like where your heads at with that deal, let me look at the numbers. He was my #1 though.
You just better hope Atkins is not a one -year wonder. But yeah, you got a nice deal on him. He put up HUUUGE numbers last eyar and is entering his prime.
rev I like where your head is at with the latest you proposed
spiff -- saunders could be a great find along the lines of burke. he has good upside, and decent offense behind him.
i am out.
feel free to offer whatever. i may reject you like mutumbo, but i will at least look at it and get back to you quickly.
I'm riding my team through the season. No trades. Not that anyone wants what I got.
yea, go to a lot of angels games, only team i follow, only reason i looked up saunders on waivers
Saunders is nothing more than a spot starter when Colon and weaver come back.
Who they going to boot?
Lackey
Colon
Santana
Weaver
Escobar
throw it around zeke, i'm no weasel
I'll take an offer too zeke
tem almost made me laugh so hard I cried.
No trade offers I can laugh at?
Boo to all of you.
I need a closer...make me an offer....baseball is stooopid.
im an idiot, how do i put guys on the block
Am I the only one satisfied with my team?
For now, at least.
There's a little "edit" button to the right of your name in the trading block screen. Where everyone else's things says "trade".
shit, i just assumed they all said trade, i have the iq of a tard
why doesnt freak have smard-jah on his team
I need some saves, someone make me an offer for a closer.
I would, but he's in the minors to start the year.
i am going to start a new link. sounds like we might get some fantasy talk going
Freak , can you tweak the MLB playoffs? Only 6 teams get in?
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